47. T14 'Paddleboat' type, No. (E)443. Rear note says 'North Cornwall Express' and "as built". Geoff: "11.00 a.m. North Cornwall and Bude" F.E.Mackay, RM Feb 1912, his 250th published. Mackay glass plate negatives were destroyed on his death in the 1930s so it is exciting to find photo-quality images.
48. LSWR (E)738, King Pellinore. The reverse says "Up Ilfracombe", the number, and "oil". If you enlarge, you can see the oil tank in the tender. Location is possibly Earlsfield near Clapham. Note the electrified rail. 1921.
49. LSWR N15 (E)450, Sir Kay, Clapham Junction. The 9 is the Nine Elms duty number. This train became the Atlantic Coast Express from 1926, though the date of this picture is uncertain.
50. The rear says "Up Bournemouth Excursion, 330A, so an H15 "rebt" (rebuilt) and a hieroglyph I am still working on (looks like "2gnd". David Vidler comments: The rectangular board carries the train reporting number used to identify trains on summer Saturdays. This says to me 1930s rather than 1920s. 330 carries a Nine Elms duty number and was allocated there for the summer of 1935. It returned to Salisbury when the N15X started to arrive at Nine Elms. Geoff Smith suggests: The building on the bridge looks like Weybridge, and the curvature looks right.
51. The rear says "Up Southampton, 137". So a K10, which looks right.Note the third rail. Venue possibly Clapham Cutting? The headcode is Waterloo-Southampton via Alton, although it seems to be a long train for one from Southampton by that route - could be a short working from Alton.
52.Rear says "Up local. 33K OB" [or maybe 073]. (E)33 was an M7 tank. David Vidler says: Headcode is Waterloo-Portsmouth via Woking although with an M7 it is likely that it started from Guildford or Woking. The train is formed with two 4 plus van sets and two loose coaches - and the M7 is still blowing off at the safety valves. Could it be a train of empties? It is long for a local train. Geoff Smith suggests Weybridge, as in picture 50.
53. Rear says "Down Aldershot". Anoither M7 tank. Peter of SEmG says: Photo 53 is interesting because it shows M7 No 126 which was the only member of the class to be superheated. The location is Clapham Cutting. DV comments: Headcode is for 'Specials for Race Meetings and Special Events'. The C on the top disc indicates that it is the third of a series of trains for the event. The rear carriages look like one of the sets of 6-wheelers kept for race meetings.
54. Rear says "Up Portsmouth". Location as in 50 and 52?
55. (E)422, an L12. Rear says "Down Folkestone, Sandling Jun[ction?] 422". Sandling is near Maidstone, so an LSWR type on Ashford territory? I am told that Sandling Junction was "between Ashford and Folkestone, once the junction for the Hythe and Sandgate branch. A favourite spot for railway photographers in those days." DV comments: 10 L12s were transferred to the Eastern Section and worked between London and Deal until the L1s arrived in 1926. The L12s were then used elsewhere on the Eastern and Central Sections until returned to the Western Section in WW2.
56. Rear says "Down Bournemouth". Note electrified 3rd rail.
57. Rear says "Down Salisbury 423B". Another L12. DV says: the power class should be E not B. The train is formed with one 4 plus van set and two loose coaches. Geoff Smith says: 57 : Clapham Cutting, Heathfield Road bridge, with Trinity Road in the background.
58. Rear says "Down Pullman Ltd (Brighton) 304 H.6. Funnel cut down". 304 was a T9 (Greyhound type). Geoff: 58 : "... July 1930 ... Sunday Third Class Brighton Sunday Pullman near Hassocks", credited to Real Photographs in "The Drummond Greyhounds", Bradley.
Re photo 50 of H15 330A.
ReplyDeleteThis loco should be E330. I cannot agree with the suggestion of a 1935 date as this loco lost its E prefix in 1931 and had smoke deflectors added by 1931 also.
Roger Norman
OK. Just to remind that 330A refers to passenger engine designation. The detail in the blog comes from the back of the photo. The photographer never used E designation. The engine has an E prefix on the tender, to be sure.
ReplyDeleteThanks Stephen, the confusion in my mind arose due to Ashford locos using the A prefix. Trying to work out your 2gnd abbreviation, though with no luck.
ReplyDeleteRoger
The caption on photo 52 is a bit puzzling. It says "Up local", however it is a strange formation for a local as it comprises two 4 1/2 sets plus two loose coaches, longer and with far more luggage space than would be expected for a local train. Indeed, the Guildford to Woking local shown in LSWR Coaches consists of just 3 thirds and a brake composite. Also taking into account DV's comment about rectangular train reporting boards (which the loco carries) for summer Saturday holiday traffic it seems more likely that this was not a local, backed up by the fact that, at least from 1933 onwards, M7 33 was a Nine Elms loco and may well have been at the time of the photo.
ReplyDeleteThe T9 in photo 58 looks to be in the course of having repairs to the bottom of the smokebox door, presumably due the collection of red hot ash at this point.
ReplyDelete50 : The building on the bridge looks like Weybridge, and the curvature looks right. 52 seems to be the same place.
ReplyDelete57 : Clapham Cutting, Heathfield Road bridge, with Trinity Road in the background.
ReplyDelete58 : "... July 1930 ... Sunday Third Class Brighton Sunday Pullman near Hassocks", credited to Real Photographs in "The Drummond Greyhounds", Bradley.
ReplyDelete47 : "11.00 a.m. North Cornwall and Bude" F.E.Mackay, RM Feb 1912, his 250th published, so time to start working backwards it seems.
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