1920s Locomotives.

1920s Locomotives.
Lord Nelson and Gladstone, May 1927..

Tuesday 8 April 2014

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146. Peter Smart: Photo 146 Eastleigh Paint shop February 1913. The lack of activity suggest a Sunday and access for official photographs. The clue to the date is the presence of D15 472, the last of the class which was out shopped in February 1913.
To the left is Number 665, an Adams X6 and behind the an Adams "Jubilee" A12 class which might be 584. I can't see the number clearly enough to be certain but it looks like the two digit that are visible are 84. Perhaps you, Stephen, can use an eye glass on the original photo please. (Confirmed as 584, Stephen)


147. The back reads: Beattie's early goods loco. Under magnification, the top line of the brass plaque says Beattie's Patent, and underneath 'Beyer Peackock Ltd, Manchester'. An impressed stamp on the original (visible in this print) reads J N Mudd, Manchester, a photographers mark.The middle line has 1908 which I first took to be 19th August but may be the year. However, the word after it is something like FREPL. James Mudd was an esteemed Victorian photographer (http://www.mosi.org.uk/media/33871134/jamesmudd.pdf) who took photographs for Beyer Peacock from 1856 (his wife's maiden name was Peacock). The early ones were albumen prints, which proved unstable. He soon used the dry collodion process, with which this print was made. This was exposed onto a glass place, but required an exposure time of several minutes. This process later speeded up when the glass plate mix used gelatin after the 1870s. James Mudd's portraits and landscapes are still traded. He died in 1906 but his company continued through his son (James Willis Mudd) and later his assistant George Grundy. This postcard is by the Locomotive Publishing Co. Similar locomotives were made for the Midland Railway, and several to Dutch Railways - https://www.flickr.com/photos/mopa1/5710949855 and http://www.victorianweb.org/technology/railways/l13.html  At least one went to the Isle of Man. 


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149. Carriages...

(F Moore's Railway Publications)

150. The back reads (unfortunately written in biro) 720. Southampton Dock. August 1899. This is an interesting prototype Drummond engine, built 1897, classified 4-2-2-0 (i.e. independent uncoupled driving wheels) the only member of Class T7, five similar engines (369-373) being built in 1901, Class E10. Nicknamed 'double singles'. More information on www.railuk.info.   Note also the luggage trolleys in the background.

151. Other pictures of Class T7 4-2-2-0  LSWR E720


152. With Drummond firebox watertubes

153. In Southern colours.

154. E449 N15 Class Sir Torre, probably as new in June 1925.

155. E448 Sir Tristram N15 Class new in photographic grey around May 1925

156. LSWR Class N15 E749 by Urie, built Sept 1922, here in photographic grey during Southern repainting. These early N15s were absorbed into the King Arthur Class by Maunsell in early Southern days, when it was named Iseult.

157. Southern Schools Class: E900 Eton

158. Southern Schools Class: E901 Winchester

159.Class  F13  LSWR 333. Peter Smart: Photo 159 This shows F13 number 333, the only F13 actually superheated and the photo was taken at Eastleigh in June 1920. Superheating did improve the engine's performance but not sufficiently to justify doing the other 4 of the class. The loco was withdrawn in August 1924 along with the rest and nominally rebuilt to H15 (see sister engine 335 below, rebuilt in 1914). Very little of the original locos were used in the rebuild.

160. The Class H15 E335 in Southern days. 





18 comments:

  1. Photo 159. Yes this is E13 rebuilt by Urie with a super heater but is not an H15! It gas been stated elsewhere that "All that remained of the original 335 was the bogie wheels and the boiler shell." I would only add to that statement; and the number!

    Peter Smart.

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    2. Photo 159 This shows F13 number 333, the only F13 actually superheated and the photo was taken at Eastleigh in June 1920. Superheating did improve the engine's performance but not sufficiently to justify doing the other 4 of the class. The loco was withdrawn in August 1924 along with the rest and nominally rebuilt to H15. Very little of the original locos was used in the rebuild.

      I apologise for the typo in my earlier comments I meant to write F13, not E13 , what ever that might have been!

      Peter Smart.

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  2. Photo 156. This is a Urie N15 as turned out in 1918. The design was modified by Maunsell and became "The King Arthur Class" which 749 and its contemporaries were absorbed into.

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    1. Ah, yes, I must be precise! Thanks

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    2. Where did I get S15 from? That was very silly. S

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  4. Photo 146 Eastleigh Paint shop February 1913. The lack of activity suggest a Sunday and access for official photographs. The clue to the date is the presence of D15 472, the last of the class which was out shopped in February 1913.
    To the left is Number 665, an Adams X6 and behind the an Adams "Jubilee" A12 class which might be 584. I ant see the number clearly enough to be certain but it looks like the two digit that are visible are 84. Perhaps you, Stephen, can use an eye glass on the original photo please.

    Peter Smart

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    1. It is 584. The digitised images is always clearer than the print, but I can enlarge substantially. The 4 is slightly obscured by the chain, but is clearly 4. The 5 is visible on the cab side - just.

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    2. Stephen, Many thanks for that.

      Peter.

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  5. Photo 147 Our old friend E14 again, under construction. Close inspection reveals E!$ chalked onto the frame just ahead of the cylinder.

    Peter Smart.

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    1. Yes, the small e confused me for a while. I will see if I can join the picture up with the others. Thanks, Peter for all this work - but I know you find it fun too. Take a look at the new picture in 139.

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  6. Photo 147. Stephen, I think that although this engine has several Joseph Beattie features, it is not LSWR. This is obviously an official photograph and there is an impressed stamp in the bottom left hand corner. Are you able to decipher it?

    Peter Smart

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  7. I hadn't noticed the stamp... I have tried to read the cabside plaque without success. WIll have a look again.. S

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  8. It was tricky, but I can finally read T N MUDD on the top, MANCHESTER on the bottom and I think 19 08 1865 in the middle. Stephen

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  9. Thanks Stephen, sadly that does not help me. I think it is a Cudworth standard goods but I have not seen a photo of one with the Beattie feed water heater and donkey pump before. I shall have to do some more research.

    Peter Smart

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  10. The stamp is not on the photo but has been photographed. It is almost invisible on the print. The only word I can make out on the brass side plaque is 'Patent' (second word, top line). S

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  11. I have found our more which is now incorporated in the caption.

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